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Where did you go when you
left the school at the age of 16?
J.C. – I went to Nacodoches, Texas, and there was a house, a black
church which had been converted to a house, and I moved into the back
room of that, and I started playing on the streets, in pool halls,
bus stations, and stuff, and from then on I just played anywhere I
could, and didn’t have an apartment or car, and rode buses. I could
work a day, what they call manpower, sweeping up at the fairgrounds,
or even sell a pint of blood, if you were that hard up. For ten bucks
you could buy a set of guitar strings, catch a bus ticket and make
ten more dollars when you got somewhere. I did that every day, every
day I was in a different place.
Was this a happy existence? In some respects, it’s a very insecure
existence, isn’t it, not having a house, family, all those kinds of
things?
J.C. – Well, it’s like for me it was freeing, and I was on the road,
I had one foot out the door at all times, and I was real comfortable
with that. As far as happiness goes, that was not really a primary
concern to tell you the truth. I was in a lot of pain. I hurt every
day, recovering from the accident. You know, I still have really bad
headaches, but to go around and make the gig was a victory for me,
and I just had to go.
Chris Whitley said that he’s been around you and other guys when
you’re talking about voodoo, and for him its kind of a scary thing
to see how much a part of your lives it is, part of that Southern
culture.
J.C. – To say, “voodoo,” that conjures up images of Hollywood. You
know, it’s like, for example, the crossroads. The crossroads is a
place and it is a real place, but it’s not a specific place, on a
specific highway, on a specific map. You can have the crossroads here:
it’s a place of decision, it’s a place of change, of confrontation,
it exists. There’s a nomadic tribe of people that erects a totem pole
in their village and it represents the center of the world, but they’re
nomadic, so the center of the world is moving the whole time, or are
they chasing it, or taking it with them? You know all these questions
come up. I have mojos that I carry with me. I have John the Conqueror
roots and stuff.
You wrote in the sleeve notes that you wanted to play as close
to the bone as possible. Has that been a kind of philosophy all the
way through?
J.C. – Yeah, you have to be prepared to go to the point of death.
I mean literally. When I started playing blues, I was literally at
a point of death, and it was physically very hard for me, and there
was a price to be paid physically. When I reached for a note, or when
I was trying to play the music and do a thing, and you’re living that
life, physically it hurts. But, you gotta push through that, you gotta
go, and I’ve realized for me that to go to that place of full confrontation,
you know, it’s like you’re almost going to a place where it’s instinctual.
I’ve seen some of the shamans when they’re doing their thing, and
their moving and chanting rhythmically, I don’t think that’s a place
of abandon, but it also requires a physical commitment.
And my guitars are hard to play, on purpose. I use real big strings,
there has to be a lot of resistance for me. It shakes your whole body.
One of my low strings is bigger than my bass player’s small string!
I learnt how to play on really cheap guitars, and when went for a
note, man ow! It hurt! I just stayed with that style, I tried to use
these fancy guitars, but I can’t play them. It’s just like there’s
no feeling there.
With all the different styles of blues, what is your style of
blues?
J.C. - Well, for me, blues is a song of life and I think one of the
great powers of it is that it is different in the hands of everyone
who plays it. It reflects their life experience. Everyone has a different
way of walking and talking and I think everyone has a different way
of expressing themselves. I think that I was a student - a disciple
of the classic blues. When I started listening to the music of the
great Son House, Fred McDowell, Elmore James, Robert Johnson, John
Lee Hooker, men that created this great music, I realized that if
I was going to attempt to do this that this was going to be a lifetime
of work - It's not something that I would understand in a year, that
I had to live. I think you have to ultimately develop to a point where
you can sing your song from the heart honestly and then just do it
the best you can and that's the way I've treated it over the years.
I have no choice about it really, you know.
"Every time I go onstage, I have to confront my pain and my mortality
and be willing to evoke that and invite people into it. I have to
be prepared to lead. It's hard to describe but it's very much like
a ceremonial ritual for me."
Being young, and not really fully understanding, but I think I came
to realize the power of the music was music of life - it would look
at a nightmare and a dream. It wasn't like a pop song that would just
say, "I want to hold your hand," or something. This acknowledged
both the dark and the light - the reality of life. That spoke to me.
On a very fundamental level, it made me feel life, you know?
My earliest connections with music as a way to express myself came
at a time when I was very aware of my own mortality and i was going
through something that was very physically and emotionally difficult
for me, and this music embraced something that I was able to hold
on to.
You don't come across as an especially brooding person. Talking
to you now, you sound fairly upbeat.
J.C. - No. I don't consider myself a negative person or anything like
that. But for me to perform, to pick up the instrument and to tap
into whatever source is inside of me, and to present that through
music, it comes from a place inside of me that is deeply rooted in
- how do I say? - issues that address very fundamental issues of life
and death and mortality and the struggle of good and evil. This is
where my music is rooted and so this is what I address with my music.
It's a very intense and physical ritual with me. There's an element
of resistence to it. I've remained playing an instrument that some
people consider archaic. The guitars I play are acoustic guitars,
1934 Nationals - I didn't want to let go of this connection to what
I am doing today. There's an element of struggle in there. It's not
that I consciously brood in my life or look for negativity, but to
me, the song is a victory, to come through something and acknowledge
it and maybe fight it until it becomes a dance. That's kind of where
I am rooted.
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